Wesley Joyce0:00 So something I've been thinking about recently with these wars, and mainly, you know, I see so much content on my feeds of videos from war, and it's horrible, you know, and you look at the news and you see the destruction in Gaza, you see the destruction in um Southeastern Ukraine and all across Ukraine and Russian oil facilities getting blown up.0:22 And I mean, it's just everybody has a phone now, so it can get videoed immediately.0:27 And actually, this was pretty interesting, but there was three Russian um kids, they were like 21, 20 years old, and they posted a video of of themselves like laughing like holy cow and videoing a Russian oil um depot that had just been blown up.0:42 They were like, wow, uh Ukraine got us, and they were immediately arrested that same day and tried for treason um for showing that.0:51 But anyway, so it's just a different tidbit.0:53 But um something I wanted to think about is you know, in the in the Gulf War, um hundreds of thousands of of you know, uh over a hundred thousand civilians died in that war, um, and for for many different reasons, and you know, the lines get blurred between who's a civilian and who's not when you have some of these militia-style armies.1:17 But when you look at some of the numbers coming out of Gaza, and now these numbers, this is why I I want to hear y'all's thoughts on this, because I'm aware that these numbers are very blurry, and um, without people like Snowden and you know, some of the other whistleblowers, um, we wouldn't know some of the numbers that came out of the Middle East from the United States.1:39 But if you look at our numbers from what we did in Afghanistan, from what we did in Iraq, it's not far off from the civilian to combat and casualty rate in Gaza right now.1:52 Um the leveling of homes is is slightly different.1:56 Um and you know, you could chalk that up saying, you know, they operate in those areas.2:01 Who knows if that's the case?2:03 But you know, war has always been disgusting.2:07 Um, it's always been extremely nasty, especially in the Middle East and places like Vietnam, you know, um we it really gets it really gets nasty.2:18 And um, you know, had we not had some of those whistleblowers like I mentioned, we'd have never seen or heard of the true horrors that Americans put their money behind and that Americans committed.2:30 And you know, now we see the IDF doing it and everybody's losing their mind.2:36 And uh it's horrible what they're doing, don't get me wrong, all of it's horrible.2:39 Um, people are dying every day, but are we just seeing more of it now?2:45 Like if everybody would have had phones um to video and upload these wars, uh, you know, like in the Gulf War and and all this, all these things, like would it have been the same reaction?2:57 Um, what do you guys think?3:00 Do you think that these wars have accelerated, or do you think that we just see it more now and we see how terrible it is, and that's why we're talking about it more.3:08 Let me know.
Casey Comerford0:00 Yeah, Wesley, that's uh that's a very good point you made.0:03 Um and I do think if you know the phones and technology was what it was today, even 15 years ago we would be thinking the same thing.0:13 Um and think that you know those those wars were, you know, they're the horrors that came out of those wars were just as equal or just as bad as today.0:21 But it's different horrors.0:22 Obviously, like you see that the warfare is changing.0:24 I mean, I think if you put if you had the technology today that you had back in like the first and second world war, we would still be saying that the horrors are are you know probably just as bad because you see what those soldiers were going through living in the trenches, dealing with disease.0:37 Um and a lot of that is is still there, but a lot of it is different than what it is today, which with a more technology-based wars and and and you know, obviously the threat of nuclear weapons and stuff like that.0:48 But I think I mean war has always just been full of horrors.0:51 I mean, it just depends what kind of horrors we're talking about.0:54 Um and I don't think we would have we would think any less of World War II if we had those videos.1:00 I think we would think World War II is more was worse than we even have from the accounts of you know textbooks and stuff.1:07 Whereas we do see some of those videos coming out of Gaza or you know, Russia and Ukraine, and we think, you know, we see we can actually see what is happening, and sometimes as Americans, we don't see what you know is always going on in those wars.1:19 Um and obviously we think, wow, that's so bad.1:22 But if we had seen those same videos in high definition from World War II, um obviously completely different.1:28 You're not seeing stuff necessarily getting blown up with nukes or or stuff like that, but um, I think you just see what those soldiers and what those countries are were going through.1:36 Um same with Vietnam, like you brought up.1:38 Um, you know, I think war has always just been you know, treacherous and tough for you know everyone involved.1:47 Um I don't know if you could say war is sped up per se, but I think it's just evolved into a different kind of war.